Cars are interesting, whether you like to work on them, appreciate their design, their engineering, or the technology that's in them whether it's an efficient engine or a powerful electric motor.
But some "car enthusiasts" believe they're high and mighty and get to say if someone doesn't count as a car guy. "Oh you like electric cars? Well screw you you vegan, cardigan wearing, Starbucks drinking asshole. I have never met you but because you have an appreciation for Tesla I'm gonna murder you for it"
I'm all up for criticisms. I don't think the Tesla 3 is perfect. In fact it has so many faults that it should be pointed out, and any Tesla fans that deny those faults definitely are wrong. They shouldn't be cocky about what's good in the car without admitting the problems it has.
But to straight up attack someone and to see them as non-car guys because of their liking of Tesla cars alone makes you just as obnoxious as the cocky Tesla owners you keep rambling on about.
The car community is supposed to be welcoming and fun no matter what car you like. We're better than this, and I'm talking to both the cocky Tesla owners and the obnoxious car guy elitists
Unfortunately, Tesla has 3 major problems they need to address before they can be accepted as a mainstream automaker: 1 is their stance on salvage and rebuilt cars; if repaired CORRECTLY, a rebuilt car is just as safe as a car that has never been in an accident. And yes, we get that that the high voltage system should be off limits to the average DIYer, but Make the parts available to 3rd party repair shops with the skills, tools, and training so people like Rich Rebuilds have an option for quality parts and service instead of making them spend tens of thousands of dollars on other salvaged Teslas just to repair their own! 2nd is pricing. We were promised a $35,000 car, but instead you delivered a car that requires a six figure salary to afford! We are still recovering from a huge recession, and the mainstream automakers are starting to catch up with affordable cars. 3rd is availability; most of your Tesla stores are in the big cities in the affluent/rich areas of that city; well out of reach of the average person, which is directly related to reason 2.
This car might even fly,but I still would rather be owner of Dodge Charger from 1968 that works only 50% of the time. Because I want car that I can repair by myself and that can be driven by people in 2100s.
I remember back when apple launched the iphone... "gonna be the only one" they said. And now theres better competition meanwhile apple is going backward, and even you cant repair the screen of it. Tesla is doing the same. You can praise this iphone car, but at the end I just can guess that Elon just gonna be remember like an ozzimandias of the modern times.
I drove thousands kilometres in car witch almost touch only controls and it is just as bad as on the beginning ... Nothing beats muscle memory and physical buttons/switches... Trying to be precise on touch display on little bumpy road without looking on display is not gonna be good experience ever (specially if you are going fast through traffic) ..
Would like the interior 10x more if it had a dedicated instrument cluster like the Model S or almost any other car. It’s just annoying having to look over at the middle display and could potentially be distracting. It’s almost as if Tesla made it like this for the sheer fact of being different.
Tesla drivers are like hardcore vegans. They think they're better than everyone else in the world, they think they are saving the world single handedly, when in reality they're making their own lives worse, more expensive and everyone around them hates their guts.
I am an old-school car guy, I like NA V8’s and V12’s. But I daily a Tesla Model S 100D as a company loaner; honestly the 100D made me have an extensional crisis. Let me explain. To start with, the Tesla handles well, although it might be heavy, because the center of mass is so low there is almost no roll. I love the Tesla’s but does this not make me a car guy? Is my fun car with the NA engine now obsolete? I always said build quality was very important; that’s why I liked old Mercedes, but the Model S is pretty poorly build, yet I still love it. And so on. It made me question: what is the point of being a car guy? The Tesla takes the nobility out of driving fast; with a Tesla it’s easy to smoke someone; there is no skill. Do sports-cars even have a place in this fay and age?
Electric car owners and lifted Diesel truck owners are the exact same demographic; people that buy a vehicle to stroke their dicks and ego, signalling to the world on how they're better than everyone else for such and such reasons. Oh, you've got 5 figures to blow on an electric car so you can gloat about how you're "protecting the planet"? It's the same argument with buying a hybrid as buying a fully electric car, you're just better off retrofitting. If you've got the cash to blow on a $10,000 electric rig, it's technically better for the environment to use up all the recycled combustion engines that have nothing wrong with them, and convert them to run on biofuels or clean burning gasses. Why offset your pollution to a coal burning power plant when you could just make your own fuel for cheap right from your backyard garden?
I'll say it straight, i think Tesla cars are absolute rubbish and are based on a scam company. Somehow, it worked, and Elon found himself with something that had be turned from "barely working" to "holly shit, there's a lot of investors and believers we have to make this better". And of course that doesn't cut mustard, the cars are shite, their tech is shite, their machine work is shite, and their business model is shite.
Two things, 1. as someone who has an inkling of knowing what machine work is (in part because i took my second UNI as an materials engineer to supplement my knowledge base) i can fully say that their machining is quite crap, evidently the work of a team that's inexperienced and in some parts, puerile.2. NOTHING, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about any Tesla car is saving the future.
exhibit A, plastic galore - i rest my case
exhibit B, all their cars are (by their standards and clearly as they'd wish) one owner use, and they don't even want to know you
exist, to the point where they remotely lock your car, if the car is somehow salvage or in any way shape or form "damaged"
regardless of the fact that the construction of the car is basically the US equivalent of a Chinese knock-off parts kit bash
product. In simpler terms, everything is modular (in the bad sense of the meaning). - i double rest my case
exhibit C, electricity isn't coming from space, nor is it collected from environmentally safe things - the case is triple rested.
Every time i see a Tesla car (with the exception of rebuilt "illegal" Teslas by their definition, see Rich Rebuilds) all i can see is a big fat dog, which also happens to be a tripod masquerading as a chihuahua, rubbing its asshole on the ground leaving a shit streak a mile long all over the pavement.
As far as i'm concerned, Tesla owners are nothing more than rich Prius owners, and so far, by their driving style alone, so ignoring the mightier than thou attitude Tesplaying all over the place, i'm proven right with every Tesla car (of any model) i see on European roads.
Nothing Elon did with Tesla is new, nothing is innovating, and most certainly, nothing is original. There existed electric cars 100 years ago as well, city wide charging stations, and none of the predictive patterns in their software (by words of electric engineers) isn't original either, just hired engineers from other car companies...
I'm actually more excited about Renault's answer to Tesla, by their publication, a nearly 100% recycled car with very autonomous AI on board.
Remember the first iPhone? Remember the 3rd iPhone? Remember the 4th iPhone? But remember the first few Samsung Android products? Tesla = Apple who will never get it right because they care about how you FEEL... because you're "BETTER" than anyone who doesn't have one... So who is going to be the Samsung of electric cars... that may not make you feel as good... but will do everything 100x better than a iPhone, er, Tesla.
Electric cars won’t take over gas cars for a Very very very long time. When were all dead. But I do think they will cut gas cars in half as far as how many are on the road. The reason they can’t completely take over is the fact that not everyone has a spot to charge the car. People live in cities that have to park on the street. And not everyone wants to schedule a few hours out of their week to go to a charging station. Until they make it that you can charge a car in the same amount of time you could pump gas, they won’t completely take over
Something I've been finding very interesting during these late teenage years of the 21st century is lack of a finished product. This culture began with video games and has now made a full move to cars. For some reason video game publishers are fine with spitting out an unfinished product regardless of the bugs just because it will sell (see MW2, essentially any DICE video game after Battlefield 3, No Man's Sky etc.). Game's not finished on time and still super broken? Doesn't matter, people will buy it, fix it in a day one patch. Tesla has also been trying to do this and it is EXTREMELY concerning to me that no one has called them out on it. During the hurricane's of 2017 when people needed to evacuate, tesla "Unlocked" the range on the Model S' located in the afflicted area. "Oh you want this range we gave you? that'll be x dollars", its like a goddamn loot crate. All the cars are the fucking same, the range is bound by the software, Tesla has the choice weather or not to fuck you over. Now they can just fix an anti-lock brake issue with a patch? This is a worrying "feature" and essentially gives the manufacturer a free pass on selling a shitty car at first under the premise that "it'll get better, don't worry, we'll fix this problem eventually :)". It appears Musk is listening to his investors more than his engineers, making deadlines is more important than delivering a solid product on the first go. If we're continuing on this trend of "how it makes me feel" It makes me feel unsafe, knowing that I can wake up one day and the performance of my car can be changed to something unfamiliar, because "LOL PATCH BRO".
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But some "car enthusiasts" believe they're high and mighty and get to say if someone doesn't count as a car guy. "Oh you like electric cars? Well screw you you vegan, cardigan wearing, Starbucks drinking asshole. I have never met you but because you have an appreciation for Tesla I'm gonna murder you for it"
I'm all up for criticisms. I don't think the Tesla 3 is perfect. In fact it has so many faults that it should be pointed out, and any Tesla fans that deny those faults definitely are wrong. They shouldn't be cocky about what's good in the car without admitting the problems it has.
But to straight up attack someone and to see them as non-car guys because of their liking of Tesla cars alone makes you just as obnoxious as the cocky Tesla owners you keep rambling on about.
The car community is supposed to be welcoming and fun no matter what car you like. We're better than this, and I'm talking to both the cocky Tesla owners and the obnoxious car guy elitists
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Two things, 1. as someone who has an inkling of knowing what machine work is (in part because i took my second UNI as an materials engineer to supplement my knowledge base) i can fully say that their machining is quite crap, evidently the work of a team that's inexperienced and in some parts, puerile.2. NOTHING, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about any Tesla car is saving the future.
exhibit A, plastic galore - i rest my case
exhibit B, all their cars are (by their standards and clearly as they'd wish) one owner use, and they don't even want to know you
exist, to the point where they remotely lock your car, if the car is somehow salvage or in any way shape or form "damaged"
regardless of the fact that the construction of the car is basically the US equivalent of a Chinese knock-off parts kit bash
product. In simpler terms, everything is modular (in the bad sense of the meaning). - i double rest my case
exhibit C, electricity isn't coming from space, nor is it collected from environmentally safe things - the case is triple rested.
Every time i see a Tesla car (with the exception of rebuilt "illegal" Teslas by their definition, see Rich Rebuilds) all i can see is a big fat dog, which also happens to be a tripod masquerading as a chihuahua, rubbing its asshole on the ground leaving a shit streak a mile long all over the pavement.
As far as i'm concerned, Tesla owners are nothing more than rich Prius owners, and so far, by their driving style alone, so ignoring the mightier than thou attitude Tesplaying all over the place, i'm proven right with every Tesla car (of any model) i see on European roads.
Nothing Elon did with Tesla is new, nothing is innovating, and most certainly, nothing is original. There existed electric cars 100 years ago as well, city wide charging stations, and none of the predictive patterns in their software (by words of electric engineers) isn't original either, just hired engineers from other car companies...
I'm actually more excited about Renault's answer to Tesla, by their publication, a nearly 100% recycled car with very autonomous AI on board.
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